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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:51:00 -
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Hmmm, I got spanked by CCP for creating a new thread to post this, and in retrospect I should have just used this original thread :) Here's some thoughts on today's hot topic!
So, I am a pretty avid Eve player, and have been for quite some time. My girlfriend is not a player, but we talk a whole bunch and she does enjoy hearing stories about our little universe we have here, and today we were talking about the recent forum activity and SoundCloud recording of Erotica1 doing what he does best.
Now, before this entire conversation took place - I really was on the "This is our sandbox, I don't want CCP wasting any time adding systems to the game that limit what we as players can do." To be honest, I still am.
But, after this whole conversation: there's a part that I don't agree with - and my mind has been changed on this. In this situation: Erotica1 engaged in scamming someone out of a bunch of internet spaceships and e-gold or whatever we call it. I'm fine with that. The only part that I find fault with is baiting the player into taking his tasteless RL threats (I'll kill your mother, racist slurs, homophobic slurs) from a private Teamspeak server into game, thus resulting in the person being scammed being able to be subjected to action by CCP).
The "victim" was wrong to take things that far, and to make real life threats: but we have to really understand a bit about human nature here. Erotica1 and pirates all over (myself included!) will tell you how vital it is to have a thick skin, but I think we need to lead by example and have the same think skin - some of these noobies we blow up or scam are not really the Eve type, and they have yet to learn to control the part of their brain that should stop with "Good fight." or "lol gf" into the kind of epic screaming table pounding mom-threatening stuff we heard in the recent soundcloud recording. When I personally encounter this kind of behavior, my old reaction was to automatically report them to CCP for EULA violations. I won't be doing that anymore - I am going to HTFU and understand that for less experienced players, human nature is going to take over sometimes and they are going to say and do things that are really silly and over and top.
On a side note - I am proud to be part of this universe today. Any online game that sparks a wonderful 2 hour discussion between adults about morality, human nature, griefing and bullying is the kind of game that I want to be playing. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 05:39:00 -
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blah blah blah
someone in eve got scammed, greed overwhelmed common sense. happens daily.
as to the TS3 nonsense - that's outside of the scope of EVE, CCP, and really pointless to discuss much. Could care less about some random dude hurling racial slurs and beating his desk up. Boring. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:39:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Its very simple guys.
EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.
E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.
Very simple.
Your attempts to connect E1's behavior with pedophilia, rapists, prostitution, terrorism, and substance abuse issues are the very definition of a straw man argument, and also say a lot about your maturity and ability to discuss complex issues without resorting to mud slinging and childish analogies.
We're not talking about some made up "axis" you have decided on, we are discussing one specific person and one very specific action they took.
Try to keep up. The adults are talking. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:51:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:
And you base this on the fact that you don't like something and a blog you half understood.
I've scammed people in Eve Online, but because you disagree with my style of game-play I'm automatically an IRL criminal?
So, you're argument, essentially, would allow me to think of you as a real-life pedophile, rapist, online predator, pimp, terrorist, and/or drug dealer if I didn't like your style of game-play. Alright, you do some J-space and Nullsec stuff... I think that makes you an IRL terrorist. I'm calling the space FBI on you!!!!1111oneone.
+1 to this.
I'm tired of people not understanding that Eve online is a game, and it's a rather dark game. This character will gank miners if he feels like it, engage in acts of piracy if he feels the risk vs. reward ratio is favorable, and spends 90% of his play time murdering other players and usually is the one to fire first.
In real life - I like kittens, movies, and music. I've never engaged in a act of real world violence against anyone, and the thought of people hurting each other disgusts me.
Like it or not, players - read your lore. Eve is a really dark place, and it's not for the faint of heart. It's a rather bleak future, and I would not have it any other way. Just look at the discussions taking place here - about morality, in game vs. out of game issues, etc.... you don't see World Of Snorecraft spawning this type of reaction.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 18:55:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Actually, what he is doing is actually Cyberbullying Erotica 1. But I guess in the minds of the White Knights, the ends justify the means...
THIS.
+1.
And in his confused carebear mind, his lot are the "good guys" - no matter what. Comparing Erotica1 to a terrorist or rapist is totally justified, as he is the "good guy."
It's the kind of morality that I would expect from a seven year old. Seeing it in adults disgusts me, quite frankly.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 19:00:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
No Mr. Epeen, I, for one, do not find it acceptable.
I stand for keeping real-life terrorists, rapists, pedophiles, pimps, drug dealers, online predators and such out of EVE. I am sure CCP also holds such a stance.
E1 and friends have to go.
Look at you. You are still using the same tired straw man argument, trying to compare E1 to acts of real world terrorism, pedophilia, prostitution, drug dealing, etc.
Quite frankly, your inability to have a adult conversation and discuss a single issue without resorting to the kind of slander you are showing disgusts me.
By bringing up rapists, pedophiles, etc and trying to connect them to this discussion - you are doing the *exact same thing* that anti-homosexual groups try to do by mentioning pedophilia and bestiality in the same breath that they discuss homosexuality.
What you are doing is wrong and disgusting, and you really need to grow up. We are talking about a single issue here, and your inability to form a single logical thought on it and actually contribute to this conversation speaks volumes about your intellectual maturity. Perhaps enrolling in a basic Ethics 101 style class at your local community college would help you be able to discuss complicated multi-faceted topics such as this without resorting to the immature slander you have been spewing all over this thread? |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:17:00 -
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Victor Andall wrote:Equating internet griefers to rapists and paedophiles.
Wow.
175 pages in this is really what we're doing.
He's been doing it for at least the last five posts, while quite obviously not reading or responding to anything. Just another thoughtless troll. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:22:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Whose fault is it that he gave all his stuff away? The greedy racists fault thats who.
Just cuz it's going to drive me insane, please get rid of the ' in your signature. It's not death "threat's" - it's death "threats".
When you see the ' - just think of the word "is". He's = he is. Threats = threats.... is? Does not work.
Like in your post here and "thats" = you mean "that is". So "that's" who.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Look at all these people surprised at someone saying nasty things when provoked.
Provoked? He got greedy, wanted something for nothing, and his greed overwhelmed his common sense. Then, versus just calling "good fight, you got me, lol wow I got greedy" - he devolved into some of the most awful racial slurs I have heard in the real world.
Being "provoked" does not pardon that kind of behavior. Being "provoked" does not pardon screaming out death threats while pounding on your desk like a spoiled child.
What I find the most amusing about this - if the individual in question had simply shown a bit of class and a bit of logic over emotion, he could simply admit he got scammed, analyze his actions and make sure that it will never happen to him again, and then tell the story for everyone else to LOL at. Hell, i'd replace his 1bil ISK right now if he'd just HTFU and tell the truth about this situation - he got greedy, and he fell for a super obvious scam.
Anyone else with me for sending cash to the "victim" if he has the e-stones to admit that his greed overwhelmed his common sense, and that by dropping n-bombs and hurling death threats he made himself look like a complete jerk? Let's start a kickstarter for the poor dude. I'll personally donate 2 PLEX to get it going.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:37:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'm also especially curious about this because it seems to me the people defending Erotica 1 are many of the same people who more or less wanted The Mittani burned at the stake two years ago. I've grown as a human being since then. Also, it was a mistake tbh. The next CSM after Mittens left sucked ass, to be perfectly honest. Since then I've lost my taste for witch hunts, they usually end up being counterproductive. What can I say, some of us learn from our mistakes.
Same here.
Mittens screwed up, got drunk as hell, and said some things that were quite awful and a bit embarassing.
Unlike our "victim" here, Mittens owned up to his words, issued a public apology, and seemed genuine about it.
Just think of the support our "victim" could get from the community if he simply dropped in and said "Wow, I hate Erotica1 and scammers are the worst and I think CCP should alter their rules to not allow scams of this nature, but that does not justify me issuing death threats against his mother and dropping n bombs like it's 1950. I was wrong, and I regret what I said." - it would be amazing. I'd give him a billion ISK right now if he'd man up like Mittens did.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:38:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
But, it looks like E1 might be thinking of trying to play a game. To corrupt a white knight, as some have called me... and 20 is the opening move.
We shall see what the next move will be.
I find your artificial sense of inflated self-importance highly amusing. See you out there. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:42:00 -
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Batelle wrote:
Anyone else find this implausible? Has luminous posted anything in this thread worth paying to keep quiet? Or anything worth the effort of sending a mail?
As we say on the internet - pics or it never happened.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:47:00 -
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Coffee Rocks wrote:Dear Erotica,
(tl;dr snipped down)
That's not gameplay, and this behavior sure as hell has no place being 'acceptable' in my sandbox. If I'm not being clear enough, I'm saying that I agree you and your alt accounts need a swift and permanent ban.
Have you ever considered that being that this is a sandbox, you are free to organize yourself and other players to strike at him in the sandbox? Hell, you'd even create some amusing content that way. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:50:00 -
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Ila Dace wrote:
If you want an analogy, what would Facebook or Twitter do to someone who used their service to do what Erotica1 did?
How about another analogy? If someone runs a country club, are they required to keep as a paying member someone who uses the clubhouse to initiate a process that concludes with publicized psychological torture? Eve functions as that same kind of social gathering place for many of us.
I voted for you for CSM because I liked your positions, and your attitude. I'm generally right with you in rolling out the HTFU hymn in one form or another for general day-to-day player complaints. This is not that.
Keep on topic.
This is not Facebook, Twitter, or a country club.
Analogy can have it's place, but not when you compare two things that have nothing in common.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:52:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote:
Borderline immoral? Morality is whatever religious or moral text you choose to believe in. If it ain't illegal then the legit term here is "Get Bent"
Any only one party did anything here that could get him in some legal trouble, however.... that would rely on Erotica1 taking it to the police and pressing charges.
I am willing to bet he is above that. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 21:59:00 -
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David Kir wrote: I don't care about criminal charges. I care about a type of behaviour that I would only call disgusting.
They are both at fault, but Erotica 1's actions are what caused his reaction.
Furthermore, E1 was not harmed by all of this. Sokhar was.
Wrong, Sir.
Erotica1 played on Sokhar's greed, and got him to make a idiot of himself. That does not justify his reaction in any way.
Since this thread is full of BS analogy, let me throw one out there for you people.
There's something adults who are able to form complete sentences like to think about sometimes, and it's called "escalation of force." For example - in many places of the world, if you are attacked in a bar fight by a drunk gentlemen throwing right hooks, and you respond by pulling a Glock and shooting said gentleman in the face, you very well may be going to prison for murder.
Erotica1 making Sokhar look like a fool by playing on his greed - I could see that justifying a "f-you, buddy!" or a simple disconnect from TS3, a block, and moving on with life. I see it justifing adding Erotica1 to your watch list, gathering your friends, running location agents, and camping his station down 23.5/7. Attempting to justify actual RL death threats and some of the most awful racist ranting I have ever personally heard is beyond silly.
Again, Sokhar could have all the e-sympathy in the world if he would simply HTFU, and admit that the death threats and nbombs were uncalled for, that he regrets what he said, and that he is sorry we all heard him engage in that kind of behavior.
I've already offered him every single dime that Erotica1 scammed out of him, and I am sure others would match me. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:02:00 -
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dexington wrote:
I don't know what sandbox means anymore, so i have to ask... Are you advocating getting weapons and striking next time he goes out to build a sandcastle?
Yes, I am! Just think - if all the people who had been scammed and totally owned by Erotica1 just stopped crying, banded together, communicated with eachother and formed a actual force - they could knock over every single sandcastle Erotica1 could ever build in Eve.
Plus - that creates content and makes our universe a more fun place to live in! Just think of the headlines. It could be epic. But, in true carebear victim mentality style - all we are going to get is a bunch of greedy players who got played throwing fits and begging CCP to fight their battles for them. Truly pathetic.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:04:00 -
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Danalee wrote:Why are you making sense in this cesspit of a thread? D. 
It's a awful habit that I have and Eve is slowing breaking me of it :P |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:06:00 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Navi Annages wrote:Right would this angry man known as Sohkar have any affiliations with the recent Malaysian jet that went missing? Was he angry then? Does he get angry often? Seriously? What is wrong with you?
/me puts on his wizard hat and robe |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:08:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote: Holy cow you know of bloodninja????
I'm oldschool like that :)
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:09:00 -
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Navi Annages wrote: Your over 9000 in my book now.
And you are in my blue list :) |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:28:00 -
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Danalee wrote:You could be allmost right if it was only after "everything that led up to it" (= being asked to read stuff and sing songs). Only, it's not. The anti-gay stuff, racial slurs and stupid rants are there from start to finish, he is reminded plenty of times this is against the rules but soldiers on like the derp he is. D. 
Yup. Having your greed played on by the most well known scammer in Eve online - our victim should have learned from this experience. Having your greed played on to the point where you read boring walls of text and sing silly songs? Silly, our victim should now know how easy it is to take advantage of people by playing on their greed.
Responding to all of this with homophobic rants and racial slurs? No excuse. A sign of a truly sick mind and an awful human being. Sometimes only when under stress will the true colors of a human being come to the surface, and I feel this may be one of the most dramatic examples of this I have ever personally witnessed.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.26 22:33:00 -
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David Kir wrote: 2) It was the specific goal that Erotica 1 aimed to reach
Giving the section in question a second listen, it seemed to me like E1 was quite suprised when the death threats and nbombs started dropping. In fact, our "victim" surprised me with this - and lost any sympathy he could have gotten from me in the first place. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:52:00 -
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Genseric Tollaris wrote:You're a weasel and a grass. You should be removed as csm and given a temp ban for dragging other players into the public light, namely Sohkar and his racist ranting and racial abuse of another Eve player. Whatever happens out of this, if Ero gets it, you and Sokhar had better bloody well get it too.
+1 to this.
Also quite amusing how his story changed from -
"He is also a despicable, vile, evil human being. I am ashamed to share a video game community with him." (RE: Erotica1)
to this:
"Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening."
No, Ripard - you did not "tap into a vast river of player feeling." You used your blog and your CSM position to level personal attacks against another player - then tried to white wash it over with your most recent comment.
Lost my vote. Also lost a blog subscription. Really enjoyed reading you and thought as a CSM member you would rise above letting your personal feelings take over and cause you to lash out in such a unprofessional manner against a fellow Eve player. I hope you are removed from the CSM promptly.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.27 01:55:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Genseric Tollaris wrote:You're a weasel and a grass. You should be removed as csm and given a temp ban for dragging other players into the public light, namely Sohkar and his racist ranting and racial abuse of another Eve player. Whatever happens out of this, if Ero gets it, you and Sokhar had better bloody well get it too.
+1 to this.
Also quite amusing how his story changed from -
"He is also a despicable, vile, evil human being. I am ashamed to share a video game community with him." (RE: Erotica1)
to this:
"Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening."
No, Ripard - you did not "tap into a vast river of player feeling." You used your blog and your CSM position to level personal attacks against another player and unleash a 200+ page drama filled threadnaut - then tried to cover it up with your most recent comment. I don't want anyone on the CSM who causes this kind of drama. I want people on the CSM who advocate things that matter - like game balance, features, expansions, community feedback about game play, etc.
Lost my vote. Also lost a blog subscription. Really enjoyed reading you and thought as a CSM member you would rise above letting your personal feelings take over and cause you to lash out in such a unprofessional manner against a fellow Eve player. I hope you are removed from the CSM promptly.[/quote] |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:09:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote: What they do is IDENTICAL to a gang of rapists intentionally drugging and then taking somewhere and raping some poor girl at a party. The end result for the victim is the same - emotional damage that cannot be healed.
Glathull wrote: I strongly disagree with this. It's not raping, and the emotional damage can be healed. I'm willing to give you a little room about offering gambling to someone who may be a gambling addict being similar to drugging.
Good luck getting through to him. Myself and others have politely mentioned to him that his efforts to equate this dramallama fest to a "gang of rapists drugging and then raping some poor girl at a party" as one and the same is just offensive, tasteless, and really shows a lot about his character and inablity to hold a rational discussion.
Also, he does not know what the word IDENTICAL means. It's hard to communicate about issues like this when you have people like him literally comparing someone making a fool out of themselves on TS to horrific acts of real world violence. You're beating on a dead horse. He does not get it, I don't think he ever will.
In his white-knight world, everyone who does things that violate his personal moral code are evil, and can be equated with anyone else who he has found evil. There's no distinction. It's all "IDENTICAL". Black and white. 0 and 1. Binary style justice.
Lucky for us, there's plenty of adults on both sides of this issue chiming in with logical and well thought out comments, rather then the kind of insanity that Luminous has shown us for the last 200 or so pages. |

DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:23:00 -
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
IT IS ON.
EROTICA 1 ENTERS THE BONUS ROOM - LIVE STREAMING NOW
http://www.twitch.tv/paddyfinn/ |

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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:30:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote: Erotica1 is trying to double his own isk?
WISH HIM LUCK IN THE BONUS ROOM
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Hurt feelings are not real harm, and are not analogous to real harm.
He does not get it, and many many adults in this conversation have been trying to explain it to him for like, 200 pages now. You're beating a dead horse. Move on.
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DJentropy Ovaert
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:53:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: And let Ripard and his meat puppets have an echo chamber? Psh, I have nothing better to do, I had to repair my client today and it's taking figuratively forever.
Hey, that makes sense.
I hope Ripard gets banned from this, as I expressed in a earlier post.
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